My Mr. Miyagi died, here’s 3 business lessons I learned from one of the most influential businessmen that I’ve had the pleasure to come across

by Byobcoach. Posted on Sep 10, 2020    1326    125


At the ripe age of 17 (a few weeks from 18) a local sushi restaurant took a chance on me. With absolutely no serving experience whatsoever, thanks to a recommendation by a friend, I had landed the job.

My previous job had been in a local country club, I was responsible for basic busboy duties. Making $7.25 per hour (MW at the time) I knew that in order to get out of my current situation (poverty) I had to become a server.

This restaurant was known for having strict management, but the quality of their food and reputation in town made way for a server working there to make great money. (It was a bragging point of my friend who had referred me of how much money she was making)

In order to secure the job, I had to pass the infamous “menu test” that many fail. It is a straight on, 1-1 with the owner. Face to face. You either know the sushi menu or you don’t.

So, having never eating sushi or attempting to learn about it for that matter, I set my mind to it. I couldn’t afford not to get this job. I created over 400 flash cards determined to get the job and pass the test. I had never worked harder for anything in my life.

I remember vividly studying flash card after flash card as I awaited outside counting down the minutes until it was time for me to walk through the door.

The standard was set early on. This place meant business. If you were to get a job there, you earned it - nothing was given to you. The Chinese owned restaurant was nothing short of a well-oiled machine. The restaurant name taking after the owner, we’ll call him Lee had positioned itself to be the hottest spot in town.

Getting to know the inner-workings of how this restaurant operated was equivalent to 4 years in business school. I had the opportunity to work alongside a man who had built an extremely successful restaurant from scratch, and up until the day of his passing had maintained the same level of work ethic, and outstanding reputation. The restaurant is still standing after 20 years.

After winning the trust of the owner, and becoming somewhat of a protege in my early years of working for him, I had the opportunity to become a General Manager of his second restaurant, a bar & grill. I had full authority to hire, fire, and run the restaurant as if it were my own.

Thankful to have garnished knowledge learned from “Lee” I thought it would be something of value to share some important lessons with you.

I now own and operate my own painting business with 11 employees. Without learning from “lee” I know for sure I wouldn’t be nearly as successful as I am today. Although I didn’t pursue the restaurant business in his footsteps, the lessons I’ve gathered can translate to any business.

Lesson 1: Separate Business & Pleasure

Working under Lee, I learned very quickly that he never mixed business with pleasure. He knew that if he were to compromise on that value, he would lose respect amongst his team. Once a business owner loses respect amongst his or her team, it can never be restored to the same level it was. There will always be that “thing”

Let me give you an example of how this hit home for me. After the General Manager job at his bar & grill, I moved to another city that happened to be a college town. Thankfully, because I had the experience of management, I was able to land a job at another restaurant fairly quickly. Having only had the experience working with “lee”, I had high expectations for how other restaurants were ran.

I was in for a rude awakening. I had gotten hired on as an assistant manager and it didn’t take long for me to see how low the standard was at the place I had gotten hired. Within a week of working there, the general manager above me (and the owners of the restaurant) had engaged in partying with the staff, taking shots on the clock, and fraternizing.

When it came time for the General manager to discipline the staff for being late, or for making mistakes, it almost came across as a joke. I would read the reaction of the person being reprimanded and it was never taken seriously. Even when the General Manager would give me direction or ask me to do things, after seeing this behavior, I never looked at him the same.

My approach was completely different. I knew this fundamental principle of business. I saw it through “lee”. He never mixed business with pleasure. You would never see him out with the staff after work or fraternizing at any level. Because of this, there was this separation between boss and staff, which is 100% necessary for running a business.

Some may say: “This is crazy, I work so closely with my staff, they’re like family. It would be weird if I didn’t spend time with them outside of work”

There’s a difference between spending time and making a fool of yourself to where your credibility is lost. My advice, know the difference between the two.

Lesson 2: Every problem comes with the gift of knowledge

There was one thing about “lee” that I admired that stood out from the rest. When things were crazy, hectic, or something was completely going wrong - he always had an answer. He always made sure his team felt calm, he would bear the stress that came with the issue.

He knew that if he showed any sign of weakness in that moment, his team would crumble. He knew that the best way to handle a situation was through calm and deliberate action.

He also made sure to use every problem as a teaching moment. To make you think. To make you learn how to solve the problem on your own. He never made it that simple to where he would just solve the problem for you.

As a business owner now, I always think about that any time my team calls me with an issue. I think about his approach, how he'd respond, how he'd handled it, and I emulate that.

I start by listening to the concern, and having an internal rating of 1-10 of how urgent the matter is. To my employee or worker, they might see it as a 10, to me, I have to see it for what it really is - how much do I need to personally get involved? Can this employee solve this issue without me? These are a few questions that run through my head.

I then lock in the solution to the problem, or my very best calculated risk. I then re-direct the concern back on the person bringing up the issue and challenge them to figure it out on their own.

Only until after they make their own attempt to solve the issue will I step in.

This not only creates better leaders within my organization, it creates this level of independence that will mitigate future calls and concerns when a low level issue arises.

Lesson 3: Know every aspect of your business

One of my greatest philosophies I teach to my small following on IG is surrounded by this lesson here.

The ability to truly know and understand the ins and outs of your business.

If you’ve ever read one of my posts regarding this topic, you’d know that I use the analogy of the restaurant owner who knows who to cook.

The reason why I use this analogy is, if you own a restaurant and you don’t know how to cook, and your chef decides not to show up, your patrons aren’t eating.

One thing about “lee” was that he knew every single aspect of his restaurant. I always respected that. There were times we’d see him cooking in the kitchen to help the kitchen catch up on orders, other times we would see him with plumbing equipment fixing the plumbing in the bathrooms. On really busy nights, you’d find him at the host counter seating and directing customers. He’d jump behind the bar to help the bartender make drinks…

He was a master of truly every aspect of his business.

The beauty of this is that he had full control (or as close as you can possibly get) of a potential outcome.

If the toilet was overflowing in the middle of a crazy busy service, we’re not waiting for a plumber.

If the host is completely overwhelmed by all the bookings, we’re not screwed for the night.

If the bartender was slammed, people could still order drinks

This has translated more than anything to me in my painting business.

When I first started my painting business, I had absolutely no idea how to paint.

But, having paid attention to “lee” I knew that if I were to be successful, I had to learn. This was no question.

So I did. I spent 6 months with my team actually doing the painting. I did everything from spraying, brushing, prepping, rolling, cutting. Along with the many other aspects of my business, leads, phone, marketing, sales…I now have the most important aspect locked in. Production.

So should something happen to where my team doesn’t show up, I’m still in control. My business won’t be compromised because my lack of knowledge, or my lack of care to learn.

This guy was more than just a boss, he led by example. His methodology was different than the norm. I have yet to come across anyone who is a harder worker, or more dedicated to the success of their business. I’m truly saddened to see such an impactful person pass on, but I’m very thankful because his passing has cemented his teachings more than they were before. I hope this has helped someone out there, in his memory.

If you’ve read this far, I want to share one more thing. In the Karate Kid, there was a moment where the teacher and the kid did the “wax on, wax off”… When I first started, at the end of the night we were responsible to clean all of the tables.

I thought I knew how to do it, you know, having been a busboy before and all. I dunked the rag into the water and went at it. I hear boots walking toward me… It was “lee”. Obviously extremely nervous and intimidated, I stopped what I was doing…”Sir?”

“You’re doing it wrong…Do it this way”

This man literally grabbed the towel, folded it into a perfect square and in the most perfect way wiped this table that left no overlay on the water, no extra suds.

This was my “wax on, wax off” moment. From there, I learned that the secret to his greatness was in the details.

TL;DR: My old boss passed away, he was extremely influential in my life and his teachings have translated into my own business today.


Comments

MoeMF

Putting your racist description aside (I don't refer to my employees of color as "Sambo" and you shouldn't be referring to an Asian business owner as "Mr. Miyagi", although I understand the reference was not meant that way) have you been able to understand how his view of business is a precursor to a Six Sigma approach that involves knowing your business from the top down?

Also, what did this gentleman teach you about customer service and interaction? I'm genuinely curious as you only reference the interaction with employees. My business relies on the personal interaction with my customers, and your description makes him seem very harsh in his manner. Does that seem correct? Was he very harsh, or was he supportive and did he invest the time into you?

It's a shame about your loss. The world could use more people who understand the level of excellence needed to succeed these days. I believe that is the key to his (and your) success, and not the "I have stuff you should buy it" mentality that a lot of places have these days.

Congrats on your success! I hope you have the pleasure of an employee considering you a mentor at some point. It is one of the great pleasures in life.

Really_Cool_Dad 8

Everyone’s offended in 2020. 😔

  Byobcoach 9

Sorry if it came across that way. The Miyagi reference was really derived from the experience with cleaning the table.

I’m not really familiar with six sigma? Elaborate

Incredible customer service. The type of business owner that people come to the restaurant to see more of him than for the food. He really went out of his way for the people he served.

Ah definitely the goal to be a mentor as it proved to be so valuable to me. Thanks

ilovefeshpasta

Saw the length of the post hesitated to read it but the style of the writing and content made it easy. Happy to have read it!

BouAymen

> Getting to know the inner-workings of how this restaurant operated was equivalent to 4 years in business school.

Stopped reading here..

carpora15 1

faaacts

pindexvietnam 1

OMG, i like lesson 2 very much, it's useful with me. Thank you for your sharing.

stolf91 1

Very inspirational read with a lot of takeaways.
Sorry for the loss of this person

damnJamsam 1

Thank you for sharing!!

FCME1 1

I totally agree with your post. I have been in similar situations myself. I still admire the executive that taught me a ton of lessons while I worked for him. After I left his wing, my new boss made all the same mistakes that you discussed in the post. ...

lopezomg 1

Excellent write up. Made me re think the little things. Thank you!

Necessary_Evi 1

Small typo: “who to cook”.

schmitty23 1

As someone who enjoyed a couple of years of restaurant work decades ago (the most fun and most frustrating job I’ve ever had) this lesson resonates with me. I think it’s also one of the reasons that so many restaurants fail - lack of serious commitment to quality and detail combined with poor management and customer service skills. To this day, when a new place opens nearby, I’m usually pretty accurate in predicting if it will fold quickly or even as so often happens, just launch into a several year slide through mediocrity to the lower circles of restaurant hells and into closure. Where more often than not another restaurant opens in the same place with a new owner but the exact same result. Ps I worked a summer painting too, word.

MisterYouAreSoSweet 1

The devil is in the details!

I love this post. Saved!

How old are you if you dont mind me asking?

  Byobcoach 1

Yep! 27

KCNathan816 1

Thank you for sharing. Love stories like this.

VLBusinessCoach 1

Fantastic post. Well done.

Napoleon718 1

I am also thankful for Mr. “Lee”. Thank you for passing on this knowledge to us also

blametheboogie 1

Thank you for sharing this. It's reinforced a few things I already believed and given me a few more to think about and absorb.

You're also pretty good at writing this sort of thing.

  Byobcoach 2

Thank you 🙌 happy to have helped

khannagirishhitting 1

Sorry for the loss! I read a great piece of advice here. Yes! his teaching cemetend for us now.

  Byobcoach 2

thank you for reading

Irish_entrepreneur 1

I'm glad I took the time to read that , a great story and lesson you have there.

  Byobcoach 2

I'm glad you did too! :) I knew it was a long one, but I figured for those who were invested to read through it, it would definitely help. I appreciate you taking the time.

abhishekjoshee 1

Wonderful write up, he truly was a great mentor!!

it's really important to choose the right mentor and becoming his religious student, Learning from your own will and observations even when the mentor is not actually teaching. I can bet that you were one of his best students and you chose right mentor for yourself.

All the best for your venture and you must pass on the legacy to make "His Soul" happy.

  Byobcoach 1

I would say that It was a stroke of luck for me. But, there were many other employees that have worked under him that did not appreciate what was in front of them. They didn't understand why he was the way he was. He was strict, and sometimes, in the eyes of most, extremely unfair, but, he ran a solid business. As an aspiring entrepreneur early on, I paid attention to this with the mindset of a business owner, not an employee. I was taking notes, not getting offended

abhishekjoshee 1

Exactly my point... Most of the time people forget that for "life lessons" there are no class rooms, one has to learn from other's experience and observe closely what they want to learn !! Again Very happy to know that you paid attention to what you wanted to learn and at the same time giving HIM all the credit as well! Cheers to you my friend.

themightiestduck 1

Great post. Your third point is something I try to live by. I’d say that as a leader you don’t need to be the best at every role in your company (that’s why you hire experts), but you should be capable and willing of doing every role at least reasonably well. Put another way, don’t act your employees to do something you can’t or won’t do.

  Byobcoach 2

Absolutely. Your last point there rains truth more than anything.

vkbr 1

This is the best post I’ve read on this sub by far. Thank you for sharing your experience, knowledge, and expertise.

  Byobcoach 1

Wow, great compliment. Thank you

Serenitynow-2302 1

Thought you might enjoy this chat I had with a buddy on this topic!!

https://youtu.be/udj4n1ibBp0

kloppslowerjaw 1

A great post. Thank you for taking the time to share it.

  Byobcoach 1

Thanks for taking the time to read it!

MrRed_13 1

Thanks for your advices and your time spent writing this... Very inspiring

  Byobcoach 2

It was my pleasure

xVeene 1

This hits close to home, unfortunately I had to learn most of these lessons on my own. I enjoyed reading this thanks.

  Byobcoach 1

I was fortunate enough to have this mentor.

assin18 1

I saved this post. Solid and insightful advice. I can see the wisdom from your life experiences with your old boss have had an everlasting effect . Cheers.

  Byobcoach 1

Oh yeah. Just goes to show how much influence someone can have as a business owner with that level of self discipline

ambujvats 1

Thank you for sharing this Post. The lessons are very very useful.

  Byobcoach 1

Thank you.

warthundersfw 1

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brianbbrady 1

Sorry for your loss. Nice tribute. Thank you for sharing.

  Byobcoach 1

Thank you

Mikefoong 1

Sorry to hear he died. But this is a very well defined article.

  Byobcoach 1

Thank you

Yue2 1

Pleasure is my business 😏😏😏

In all seriousness though, these were some great anecdotes.
The only part I disagree with is #1.

It’s perfectly fine to have a close relationship with business partners, so long as boundaries are established, and those relationships do not interfere with the work at hand.

  Byobcoach 1

Absolutely, one of my points were just to know the boundaries. I agree.

digitalnomadsage 1

This is an amazing story and life lesson thank you and my condolences for your loss.

  Byobcoach 2

Thank you kindly

SabinaSanz 1

Thanks for sharing with all of us!

  Byobcoach 1

thanks for reading!

vysh1 1

Completely agree with you, however I think you can bind with your employees as long as clear boundaries are set. We go for team building to different place where it's all fun and games. But everybody knows the reason for the entertainment is good work, nothing is ever done on expense of good and disciplined work.

  Byobcoach 1

Agree, as long as the boundaries are there.

stronzorello 1

TIL thanks for sharing!

  Byobcoach 1

absolutely

taylorhayward_boston 1

Really well written. Thank you for sharing.

  Byobcoach 1

Thank you for reading!

PeaceLoveEmpathyy 1

Wow sorry for your loss. Great insight

  Byobcoach 2

thank you

timeghosty 1

Great contribution. Thanks for sharing 🙏

  Byobcoach 2

thank you for reading!

johnshykh 1

so insightful! one can learn so much about being an entrepreneur from this post alone. May he be in a better place. Thank you so much for sharing 🙂

  Byobcoach 2

Absolutely :) Thank you

ichi20530 1

Thank you so much for sharing!

  Byobcoach 1

thank you for reading

CodingMorrison 1

Fantastic read! Thank you for sharing your journey and your experience with a close mentor!

  Byobcoach 2

Thank you for reading!

IamB_ank84 1

Great read. Thanks for posting! Quick question. How did you discover your transition out of the service industry? And if painting wasn’t your “passion” what steps did you take to find your current path?

MrAnderzon 1

I thought I was the only one that was off putted from fraternizing with bosses and management. Outside of pleasantries and mutual respectability.


I’m here to exchange my time for money and being friendly in the workplace doesn’t always have positive outcomes.


It’s as if once people get that small amount of power in whatever position they’ve been placed they flip. Though once they clock out they flip back and expect to be your friend as if nothing happened.

unfair_bastard 1

This is Nakashima's in Fox Valley WI

Learn91919 1

Thank you for this and I wish you healing and peace. So glad you got to experience this amazing man.

pookiemon 1

Great post. Thanks for sharing.

CMHquantumboards 1

Seriously This helped. I’m in that slump and you told me (with Mr.Lee blessings) that If one is to focus on wax on wax off then everything falls in place. The details matter.

  Byobcoach 1

All in the details

MisterGGGGG 2

Agree with everything except #1: my business partners are my family, and we have a lot of fun together.

friendly-bruda 2

The text is awesome. Inventing a superior to separate the advice from yourself was a perfect touch and works wonders judging by the comments here.

Urmumshot 2

I've learned these same lessons, though sadly through the 2nd restuarant example you've given "what Not to do". Count yourself very lucky to have been brought into a very strict culture/business. Sounds like you passed all his tests, and I'm sure you've made him Very Proud! May he pass through the levels of the afterlife with the same discipline and dedication he did in life.

  Byobcoach 1

Ahh thank you. Yes 🙏🙏

bamboosprout 2

Thanks for sharing your story. It was very insightful and moving. I really wish there are more mentors like this in the world. I found the most tangible advice to be the first point you gave. It definitely is easy to notice the loss or lack of discipline. I was wondering if you can share the other side of that advice and give an example of how your mentor instilled that discipline?

WillingnessTraining4 2

Great wisdom!

BurdenofPain 2

Very, very true!!

chukacabra 2

Incredible. Thank you for sharing a piece of your journey. Wise words well spoken!

  Byobcoach 2

Thank you 🙏

xeneks 3

This is a truly wonderful thing to read. But so much of the world seems to be lacking such a detailed approach in key areas. Waste management and product sourcing - I’m in ICT and we’re often blissfully unaware of the work and sacrifices made by manufacturers of hardware and the way the raw materials are turned into industrial chemicals and molecules that are in turn used to make the tech. On the waste side, it’s land filled. I can be the most perfect technician or run the best MSP but if I’m ignorant of the source of the business inputs and the methods of waste and pollution management, and recycling, I’m only lifting part of the burden and responsibility.

Did your mentor, assuming that’s a useful or accurate term, pay attention to those aspects of the operation? So much of the world is Live and Let Die, where people focus only on the things that bring them credibility and respect and joy, leaving those outside of the circle to deliver or deal with their issues in isolation.

Connected to this is where I struggle and find immense difficulty. I highly respect the leading lights, those public or private figures who are masters of their domain. But it becomes a bit sickly, like an overproduced Instagram feed showing an unrealistic lifestyle and near-impossible to attain standards of discipline and management of self and others. Is there any value in being less than perfect, in sharing foolishness, inexperience and highlighting educational gaps that create uncertainties? Of being a bit rough or rude and risking reputation by leaning out further, loosing their balance and being comfortable with missteps?

Could those people who are true mentors with unblemished records lift the greater body of society up to a higher standard or is their incredible ability forever only useful to those who are receptive to that height being attainable by them?

runningwithsharpie 3

Great story and great advices, though I disagree with the first one.

I'm in education, and in this field, authority is very important to creating an effective work environment. But authority doesn't have to be the one school boss vs worker dynamics. Mostly importantly, is that you as a leader communicate visions that others believe in. Of course, keep a certain level of professionalism and respectability about you, but interactions even at a personally level should only make you more humane and therefore more respectable.

  Byobcoach 1

Great perspective. Thanks

EpickTastea 3

I also started working out in the restaurant industry, but like you said, the standards for it were very low. However, I did have a wake up call from the manager, when we were closing one night. I was complaining that night because the side jobs weren’t done right. She came up to me and showed me the correct way to do it, but I was a little stubborn and ignorant back then. She then said that “you’re gonna have to learn all the little details if you want to get into fine dining.” I didn’t think much of it that day, but reading your post has reminded me of those words. I am currently trying to start my own insurance brokerage, and am feeling a little discouraged by how slow my process is taking, but I am ensuring that I know everything about the industry inside out. Thank you for this inspiring story, and I hope Mr. Lee is in a better place now. I know you’re making him proud by spreading his philosophies to others! Best of luck to you, and I hope you continue on the path to freedom and success!

MonkeyMaster64 3

That last point on knowing the ins and outs of the business really struck home for me. I've recently started up an upholstery cleaning service and when I can I make sure to help my guys with the job because there have been situations where no one is available and it falls on me to get the job done. Also, I understand the difficulties with the job why something may be taking longer than the customer would like and I know when it's time to take a handoff approach I know I'll be understanding and also have the wits about to recognise a good standard of work.

  Byobcoach 1

Very good leadership here man.

thepathlessfollowed 3

This is an inspiring read. Thank you for sharing. I feel really motivated to pursue my dreams after reading this.

  Byobcoach 2

Wow! That’s awesome.

steveeljefe 4

Thank you for the great lessons

  Byobcoach 2

Thank you!

Davinci451 6

What gave you the idea of going into the painting business?

Loolo007 7

In a world of diminishing loyalty, thank you for sharing these lessons and continue to uphold the integrity and standards of Mr Lee.
May God grant him eternal rest.

  Byobcoach 1

Thank you 🙏

wthisthisman 9

This was such an inspirational story. I wish I had a Mr. Lee.

This is the motivation I needed. Thank you and I wish you all the success in your endeavors.

  Byobcoach 8

You do, through this post :)

Thank you

apxltd 26

Nicely story and observations, but something to consider. Following Rule #1 to a T will lead to a lonely life. It's hard to find time for friends outside of running a business. It's okay to be friends with staff, and it's okay to hire friends, but it's more about establishing boundaries.

lankybiker 7

I disagree here. What's important is that you have a work life balance and develop a social circle outside of business.

The_Jax 1

I think this comes down to a person's character and how they see that "fine line" and everyone might draw that line a little differently. I think there's a threshold depending on your structure as a person

JanIsPeterPan 2

Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

BullishFloat 2

Yeah, true. I don't mean to sound capitalistic but if you want to achieve the unthinkable you have to work more.

lankybiker 2

Which is fine, even more reason not to compromise the business by muddying the waters been the boss and friend relationship

  Byobcoach 22

Agree if it’s taken to the extreme. I made the point of knowing the fine line between making a fool of yourself and socializing. That’s key

jaesung2061 1

I feel like you being in the restaurant business changes the variables a bit. The food service industry has insanely high turnover rates. This isn't the case for other sectors.

tabathos 10

Excellent piece of advice and a great read! Thanks for sharing.

  Byobcoach 3

Thank you for reading!

FranciscoGalt 64

Excellent post and more of what we should see here. I'd complement it by mentioning a few key traits OP did that ensure growth in any business and industry. Traits that unfortunately as CEO I see very rarely with new generations coming into the company:

  • You can't expect a raise unless you add more value. People expect to get raises or advance because they put in more effort or do their job great. Being great at your job simply means you're less likely to be fired, not more likely to be promoted. OP went out of his way to learn the skills and knowledge required for a higher paying job and proved he could do it before asking for a raise.

  • Understand you can always be an entrepreneur. An entrepreneur by definition is someone who starts something. This can be done in your company or someone else's. Regardless of who owns the company you can be your own boss if you understand how business works. Smart business owners recognize employees with entrepreneurial spirit and give them the opportunity to grow within the company. If your boss doesn't think that way, the company will probably go broke sooner or later so better move on sooner.

  • Use every obstacle as an opportunity to learn. I see people giving up way too quickly when things don't go their way, expecting life/their jobs to be "fair" and jumping ship at the first instance of adversity. No job is easy; be that the lowest paying job or the highest paying job, people stick to industries and jobs they love regardless of the shit they have to take. Bezos, Zuckerberg and Gates have serious shit-eating experience and in my experience I see more value from those who can take the hits and adapt than those who avoid them altogether.

  • Know your business inside out. You're not going to be an expert from day 1, but don't expect to be successful running a tech company if you can't code or running a financial advisory firm if you can't achieve alpha. Sure, there are exceptions. But every industry leader knows their industry down to the smallest detail. Your goal should be to add the most value doing what you do, not to win the lottery.
  Byobcoach 6

Beautifully stated. ☝️👏🏼

tkdyo 23

Agree with most of your points, but not your first one. If I am better at my job now than a year ago, I am by definition adding more value by getting more items made, saving the company more money, etc. Promotions, of course deserve much more substantial raises, but the idea that you should have to get promotions just to get raises is one of the reasons why job hopping is so prevelant these days.


Also, inflation means my wage is actually falling each year, so I should at least be getting a cost of living increase. My company does this, but many don't.

rkeet 5

I agree with both of you ;)

You _should_ be getting raises for becoming more efficient at your job and for inflation. However, as you said, do not expect a raise for efficiency to be as much as for a promotion.

That said, you working somewhere in a position for a year does not guarantee that you've become more efficient / better at it, simply because you've done it a year. You could've been a god-tier X already so already getting that pay. You could be less efficient because of any reason in your personal life, don't expect a raise then. There could simply be a company-policy ceiling on a position, so unless you learn the how-to for the position above yours, your stuck.

So yea, I see both of you as having a valid point on the raise / promotion thing.

dude1995aa 3

The best bus-boy can only be paid what the best boy can be paid. A bus boy who figures out how to do additional jobs at a resturaunte can become a general manager can get promoted to general manager and be paid as such.

I'm in the corporate world and get this a lot. "I worked hard and no one had problems with me, so I deserve a promotion or raise" The guy who has demonstrated he can do the next level job (usually by just taking the tasks on) gets promotion in the roll because there is no risk - I know they can do it.

I appreciate the ones who quietly work hard and want them on my team - it's just a bigger risk to promote them.

  Byobcoach 1

Good point here

rkeet 1

>I appreciate the ones who quietly work hard and want them on my team - it's just a bigger risk to promote them.

Exactly this. Appreciation, from a boss/company, is shown in salary and perks, but there's a limit to what you'd pay a position. Obviously, a company needs both types: those content/stuck in the role and those growing.

mollykatharine 21

This is great advice! Thank you!

  Byobcoach 11

Thanks for reading

Really_Cool_Dad 112

Sorry for the loss of this person but am glad he was able to teach you these lessons and good on you for having the maturity to learn them.

These are all great takeaways that can be applied to any industry.

Onward and upward for you I presume. Best of luck.

  Byobcoach 27

Thank you!